Willliams Notes
	Williams 12-30-74 side 1 On big homer martin meeting; special meting called by martin may 21 1934 started at Yellow Cab fired 20 times for union activity worked for Lewis. 10 min HM supporters. 12 min officers came from Pnt motors, all went with HM, only Harry Davis didnt go with Martin LIST 13 min. Delegates south bend 1935 on Martin South bend convention 19:00 john anderson first to see through Martin cp never had much control ON CATHOLICS VS UNITY REFERS TO AN EARLIER TAPE Williams 12-30-74 side 2 CONTINUES from SIDE 1 5 min Brookwood Labor College 6:00. Tucker Smith called, get people down here to Toledo re. CP in UAW 7:00.  he was the first to get CW on board unity train 25:45. the union grew out of skilled MESA Ralph Walker from Minn. best friend. 30 min.  inspection.  leaned athiest Charley Barker machinist  from Indiana would not attnded unity meetings pick up at 37:00 39. tucker smith was sent in to help me on SP! ————————————— this does follow 12-30-74 Williams 37 names A1                          LISTEN TO THIS AGAIN claude henson 4:00 CLASSIFICATIONS!! Charlie Souter “got along well with foreign born, helped them out buying houses, etcI certainly wasn’t never a rugged individualist.   I was a collectivisst.” active in democratic clubs 19:30. our problems was with hillbilliles.  both extremes Bert Harris!!!!! I refer to a time several months ago when cliff and I spoke Williams 37 names side 2 New America group. Martinesen boys ============ Williams/Henson Aug 21, 1974 tape 1 A 1 we started out, had to meet in basement, we would have five of six people, and we had about 7000 workers at Pontiac Motors.  lay the groundwork, strategy on this. we never did get the percentage until after the NLRB election when we got our charter and pulled out we had 501 people paying dues (7.1%)   when I got elected secrety first time I was elected by (T=127) 67 to 60.  kept our membership files on 3 by  5 cards talking about 1939 in 39, I was working on final assembly line (Henson) PF reading from Un Auto Work spring 39 re NLRB election PF: what depts HM strongest in.  where did these votes come from? Plant 9. Bill Quick, Conebear [they attend HM convention in 39] the whole executive board of that plant, plant nine more HM plant 9 motor plant (you could have hundreds of depts in motor plant) cut and sew was against homer martin; G. method was in fisher bodyMcAuley was iinn  fisher body PF question: so those were the two extremes: plant 9 most HM, cut and sew least Let me explain this, what happened.  you had leaders.  like Joe Quick was in there, he was a committeeman, shop committeeman≥. Now a certain group would follow joe quick, others wer just in there.  they dion't particulary give a damn who HM was or . . .  I would say that Joe 8:00--Quick probably had a couple of hundred people in plant nine that was following (him).   That stayed true until the very end. right.f PF: maybe i should approach this frlm another angle.  I I were to break up the plant into main groups.  So far you mentioned that there is assembly work, there's machine shop work, which requires some degree of skill, butr not much.  And you mentioned dril presses, is that a whole seperate area? milling machines, lathes, baically, did you have machine operators and assemblers in plant nnine? YOu had mnotor asesmblies. which was lest skilled? assembly, drill press I(set you uop on a machine but were there any. operations within the shop that requuired more skill, more of semi-skilled nature? Well, you had repairmen.  Pontiac Motors was the stronghold of the Homer Martin Faction. PF asking about cultural background of HM folk. in pontiac, in contrast to the other two large plants Henson and Williams talking about a large eating place 11:30. we had a lot of functions there, they had enough room . . . CWF: when I wasn't particularly unsold on HM.  at a meeting there.  Bert Harris was there PF: you mentnioned on saturda ================= Williams Aug 16 1974 tape 1 side 2 re semi-skilled!!! talking about southerners re homer martin assembly vs machine ambitious people more union-minded people on the lathe no problem collecting dues fisher body had hundreds of strikes, not pontiac motors leadership from Minn and Wisc mich born people lagged among the northerners Williams worked for Lewis in southern illinois 13 min ethnic groups segregated themselves (YC lithuainians metal finishers (17,000 liths in Pontiac) 20 - 30 % 16:40 in fall of 37 we took a census in the plant; 15% owned homes some workers did not go south.  18:00 min southerners stigma 30% northern southerns 20:00 unity suporters from wisc minn; 25:00 patrimonialism discussed ACTU and Unity. similar when compared with southerners talking Homer Martin 30:00 compares martin to lewis as speaker on CP. 33:00 such a mixed-up group ethnic-wise when I was conducting the homer martin fight here english largest group in CP had a setup here, office, press.  CW know cpers in pontiac english, roumanian, italian New America 38:00 on cleveland convention john anderson did not like decision of party to support Thomas: CW emphatically agrees talks about Toledo conference re Martin tucher smith called williams from toledo: get down here, Hall and Mortimer I got three carloads of people . . . Hillman and Murray would have to support thomas had to go along with thomas--keep Mortimer and Hall out of leadership "I almost cried when we were told we had to go along with R.J. Thomas. 47:00 Williams on alternatives: Art Johnstone was very capable on rether confernce in lansing ========= Williams Aug 16 1974 tape 2 side 1 Ed Hall better cp suppporter than Mortimer on cpers useful, needed, but not for power positions my connection to cp had to be kept at low key; williams was depending on cp skills you got into cp by being invited; invited Williams, willims declined Frankensteen couldnt be trustsed for nothing.  9:00 1939 organized a stewards group; had more people at that meeting than at the membership meeting later that day.  14:00 ======= Williams Aug 16 1974 tape 2 side 2. CHECK THIS!!! 1-7-74 side B1 (side 2) tyce woody. 4:00 looking on list roll call 11:00.  Martin 26:00 on his assembly dept. about 50% from south plant 8 LISTEN TO THIS AGAIN (8-9-21) ============================= 1-7-74 (or 75) B1 two groups of southerners leadership came out of tool and die (Martin group) they were progressive people, some ex-SP on progressives lafollette